The idea that God could somehow predestine people for eternal hell from before they were even created is ludicrous, because it means that God would be ultimately responsible for their ending up there. Paul may have used his hypothesis stating that God may have set apart a number of vessels for mercy, and that He set others before Himself as vessels unto dishonor.. but he had no right to use it, since for God to do so would mean He *would* be ultimately responsible for the vessels prepared for destruction ending up in hell.. and not the vessels, themselves. The notion that God predestined Lucifer from the beginning of time for hell, rather than that God gave Lucifer a perfect opportunity to enjoy His blessings, but Lucifer chose, in and of His own self, to sin.. and fell from grace on his own.. may seem righteous in that it jives with Paul's hypothesis, but it makes no sense that God would predestine a sinless being to disobey Him. Plus, even though Paul did attempt to bring out big guns by saying we have no right to reply against God by saying if God set forth vessels unto destruction from before this creation ever began, how could He find fault with those vessels, since it was His predestining which made it happen.. the truth of the matter is, though we cannot reply righteously against God in anything, we *can* reply properly against a false hypothesis, developed by a flawed apostle, in a book that isn't "The inerrant Word of God".. especially a false hypothesis which paints God out to be someone unrighteous.